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i knew there was a connection between why i want to embody klaus and sirius
ok but Klaus and Five are Sirius and Regulus variants
A heart’s a heavy burden to bear
Happy Pride Month
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Slowly getting back into my marauder's phase I AM SO BACK WOLFSTAR !!!!!!
He’s asking him to close the door behind him
I'm yours to keep and I'm yours to lose, And I hope I never lose you, hope it never ends I don't wanna lose this with you, Tried to change the ending Peter losing Wendy, Gain the weight of you then lose it, How the hell did we lose sight of us again?, Everything you lose is a step you take, Checkmate! I couldn't lose, You’re Losing Me…
The first real conversation Katniss has with Peeta is when he tells her that he wants to die as himself, that he doesn't want the games to change him into something he's not, and that he wants to keep his identity and prove he's more than just a piece in their games because that's the only thing he has left to care about.
The first time we see Lucy Gray she sings a song that basically says that nothing they could take from her was worth keeping. "Can't take my past. Can't take my history... You can't take my charm. You can't take my health."
The capitol has taken everything from them both, but at the same time, they could never take away who they are.
They are both likeable charismatic and funny, with the kindest hearts, and incredibly loyal to the people they care about.
At the same time, everything they do before the games, and during is calculated. Lucy Gray singing a love song and winning the hearts of the capitol. Peeta confesses he's in love with his district partner, therefore cementing her identity as desirable. Both of them know how to sway people with words, how to charm people, and how to manipulate crowds. Neither of them has any problem doing so to keep themselves, and the people they love safe.
Lucy Gray's song The Old Therebefore, about learning how to love and live her life to the fullest before death, a final and calculated stroke in a last-ditch effort to save herself from the arena. This evokes enough emotion in the watchers to get them to rise to their feet and plead for her life alongside Snow.
Snow, watching the 74th and preparing for the 75th Hunger Games sees Lucy Gray in Katniss. A young girl, from the 12th district. Unafraid at the reaping. Selling a false love story, manipulating a boy who loves her in order to get out and supporting the revolution with the mockingjay as her symbol.
He threatens her family to get her to sell that she and Peeta are in love, to prevent the revolution, because obviously, she's pretending. He's had experience with a girl just like her before. He has no doubt that she has the acting ability to sell this story because clearly, she manipulated the first Hunger Games in her favor, the same way Lucy Gray manipulated him.
Watching the interviews for the 75th Hunger Games he realizes-
Katniss is just an impulsive girl, in a Mockingjay dress she didn't know about, made by someone who supports the revolution.
Peeta is a boy who has the ability to move people with just his words. He made Katniss desirable, he was the one who sold the love story, and he was the one to make their romance seem real. Katniss only started the revolution because she would rather risk dying with him than live without him. A concept President Snow was completely unfamiliar with. And it is with all these realizations crashing around him Peeta drops the baby bomb. He knows the baby's not real, and so does Snow. But it evokes enough emotion in the watchers to get them to rise to their feet and plead for the lives of the tributes.
Is it Lucy Gray or Peeta?
By the time Snow realizes he's made a mistake, it's too late.
Peeta is still charming and manipulating the capitol. Katniss is in love.
He goes up against a kindhearted boy expecting to beat Sejanus again, only to find out that it's Lucy Gray he's fighting; knowing he will never be able to escape their ghosts.
-from a conversation i had with @grandtyphoonpoetry breaking down every character in the hunger games.
stop diagnosing people with neurological conditions on their posts. were you people raised in a barn.
so tbosas
“so are you a top or a bottom?”
I want to talk about Gaul and her view of the Games as a representation of human nature, which for her is that human beings are bad at their core, so when they are stripped of civility (even if you can argue the tributes were never treated with any civility at all anyway), they are violent and will do anything to "fall on top".
And that's very interesting to me because as much as Gaul thinks the Games are a representation of that, Leftie (on TikTok) explained very well that the 10th Games are filled with people proving her wrong again and again by showing mercy and compassion in their own ways - case in point, Reaper giving the fallen tributes a proper homage in their deaths, Lucy caring for Jessup, and even Lamina killing Marcus out of mercy.
More than that though, I think it's so ironically dry of Suzanne Collins to put Snow - civil, educated, polite, well-bred young Coriolanus Snow - as the one who actually has those instincts to be violent and do anything he can to win ("Snow always falls on top") in situations which are nothing like the desperate environment of the Games, but in the society they deem so superior - the Capital.
But even more than that, the more I think about the true State of Nature, the more I see Doctor Gaul's beliefs as extremely frail from a biological point of view: when we talk about human's state of nature, the closest we can get to observe that today are native tribal communities, as some scientists do to understand better how our ancestors lived.
But what we can observe from this too is that (and we all learned that before) human beings are social beings - we need a community (or a support net, as we can call them) in order to thrive, but community only forms with connection. If we were selfish, individualist, and violently prone to survive (bad, in fewer words) in our cores, then it'd make no sense for us to be social creatures because we wouldn't be able to form connections deep enough to live in communities.
Not ones that thrived as much as we did, anyway. We'd most likely be lone creatures. Instead, our understanding of community is directly linked to safety, both emotional and physical, to the point where our own language reflects that: the found family trope being so popular in books, poor families being more likely to stick together as an act of self-defense, the fact we love so much to consume friendships in artistic works, the instinctual need to find protection on other people when we feel threatened, and so on and so on.
"A child rejected by the village will burn it to feel its warmth", meaning not only that we need a community to thrive, but its lack leaves deep scarring in a person's character.
So when it comes to the state of nature of men, I'd say I believe much more in societal corruption - like Frankenstein - rather than a violent or bad nature by itself, unless of course, there's a natural precedent for such (like a biological inability to form deep emotional connections).
I think what I found most fascinating about Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes is the brilliant exploration it makes on empathy.
Capitol citicents have been programed to ignore their empathy towards the people on the districts. We see that on Coriolanus and Tigris's grandma, she is incapable of feeling it and feels entitled to despise them as creatures naturally inferior to her.
Generational thinking is vital to the prevalence of long term propaganda.
Snow and Tigris on the other hand, are orphan, their parents didn't have enough time to teach them to ignore that empathy.
And they have lived much more precarization as kids than their grandmother, and therefore have more in common with the people of the districts than with the adults in the capitol. Is easier fot them to feel empathy towards the tributes.
If Snow and Tigris had allowed themselves to dive into that empathy, to let it drive them, their children would have been even more empathetic then them. Their generation was already different, already putting in question all the propaganda, we see that in many instances with Coriolanus's classmates.
But all it took was one of them with the determination to think like the adults, one of them with the determination to perpetuate the order, one of them choosing to be driven by pride instead of empathy, for the chain of empathy to be broken.
And the system endulged him, impulse him to power. Because he could feed into it, help it evolve and survive. Because that's what systems like those do. They scratch and kill and make bloodbaths to keep themselves alive. They create their own keepers.
Coriolanus Snow knew exactly what he was doing. He knew the people from the districs were human like him, he knew on some level they were deserving of his empathy. He chose not to have any for them. The perpetuators of the propaganda are hardly belivers of it themselves. They pull the strings because they know what they are made of, what would happen if someone broke them.
They want the power because are able to recognize everyone else is blind to it.
It was honestly bone chilling to read.
Love love love the implication that Lucy Gray came back to haunt Coriolanus Snow in his last years of life, through her mockingjays, her songs, and her District, particularly Peeta.
I also can’t get out of my head the idea of an 80 something year old Snow absolutely haunted by the fact that every time Katniss Everdeen opens her mouth, Sejanus’ voice comes out.
snow allowing katniss to live following her defiance of the capitol is so much more interesting knowing his past with lucy gray. i'm curious if he assumed, because of his experiences, that katniss would run away, just like lucy gray had? and she would have, had it not been for gale's insistence that he stay and help the rebellion grow. idk just very interesting to me
idk I just personally think that getting chills from music is the best part of being alive. like when a song is so good you can feel it in your whole body. that's why I'm here.
Okay, small detail regarding THG series epilogue, regarding Katniss and Peeta's family:
So if we were to take the timeline of Katniss and Peeta's parents, Katniss's Mom was 16/17 during the 50th Hunger Games and Katniss was born (74-16 = 58) during the year of the 58th Hunger Games, making her mom's age about 24/25. On the other hand, Peeta's parents had 2 kids before him (one is maybe 19 and the other 17/18) so they would've been approximately 22/23. If we were to take a book detail, Madge Undersee, her Mom whose aunt died at the 50th Hunger Games was maybe the same age as Katniss's Mom and had Madge at 24/25.
But for Katniss and Peeta, it took 15 years to have kids, making them 32/33.
So I can't help but wonder- why on earth is everybody complaining about Katniss and Peeta having a very "conventional happy ending" when unlike their parents who had children much younger than they were, they can have children without the fear of them ever participating in The Hunger Games and yet have taken so long to consider having children.
Trauma is real, people. And that is seen in the fact that Madge's Mom has trauma of headaches from possibly losing her twin and something else, but Katniss having faced more trauma (2 Hunger Games and a War where she too lost her sister), took her time to have children in a world that was supposedly safe. Another thing is Katniss feeling her daughter move within her which was absolutely terrifying, but having her gave her joy, because in some way, she reclaimed the caretaker that she became when Prim was born.
So technically, the epilogue shows how grief can coexist with love and how Katniss may never fully recover from the pain she has endured from losing her loved ones and the fear of having the world where her children safe and happy downslide into war again (much like our current times) will always taint her happy moments, but to live life well because others have made that happen at a personal cost is important.
What are people's thoughts on the epilogue?
I’m not typically one for contributing to head-cannons, but I do have one for TBOSAS that I’m willing to stick by: Lucy Gray is the reason they have someone from the Capital read the names.
Snow saw what happened when the games were rigged to settle personal scores, and he knew exactly how the scales were tipped (Lucy Gray even stresses that the reaping was “bad business” instead of plain bad luck). I don’t think he would implement this change for any noble reason to stop this kind of infighting, but rather so any rigging was done on his part rather than left up to the people of the districts. No one else could have a last minute revenge like Lucy Gray to stand out or remind him of her.
In conclusion: Lucy Gray and the Mayor’s blatant rigging of the 10th reaping are why Effie and her predecessors had to come to 12 every year
Rick: *actively puts Percy through more perilous situations by writing more pjo books*
Percy: RICKY WHEN I CATCH YOU RICKY
If I see anyone justifying Snow's actions because he was traumatized I'm going to GUT THEM.
yess cause finnick knew everyones secrets, EVERYONE'S. im sure snow told him about lucygray without mentioning her name and he talked to mags about it and put two and two together
my boy's smart, thats why he kept pushing katniss
lucygray never died
don’t try to convince me that one of those secrets about snow finnick knew about wasn’t lucy gray. he was so close to mags, who won the 11th hunger games, a few MONTHS after lucy gray’s games. mags definitely remembers lucy gray and probably something about what happened between her and show, and she definitely would’ve told finnick
idc about any plot holes in this theory im dying on this hill ok
serious post now but i think katniss not having that many similarities to lucy gray makes the whole situation so much more interesting. katniss isn’t a performer, she doesn’t put herself out there, she’s antisocial and paranoid and awkward—but she still rebels against snow. she still bows at the end of a performance. she still honors rue even in death. she still sings lucy gray’s song.
what haunts snow isn’t how they may or may not share an appearance. what haunts him is how katniss picks up exactly where lucy gray’s defiance against the capitol—against him—left off.
i dont really get how some people can thirst over snow, like tom blyth was hand sculpted by the gods themselves but SNOW!?!? he was so evil from the get go, he hated the people from the districts like he was such an elitist and not to mention he went on to traffick and sell literal children. tbosas made my hatered for snow even stronger and i never thought that could ever happen.
pure as the driven snow is such a cunty song cause imo lucygray did not in fact need, love or trust snow and the whole song is a way for her to kinda assure the readers that she will be completely fine on her own.
what if they filmed tbosas the way fleabag is filmed so that the audience got to see snow's inner monologue, so every so often tom blyth would turn to the camera and just talk.
i feel like these posts get a sprinkle more deranged every time i upload
to my knowledge (someone correct me) Snow never hears Katniss sing The Hanging Tree (that’s a movie invention, and it’s not even confirmed in the movies that he’s hearing it), but those are not the only songs Lucy Gray sings … and can you imagine the slow creeping paranoia beginning to crawl back up his spine when Katniss honors Rue in much the way Sejanus honored Marcus … when she then begins to sing Deep in the Meadow, Maude Ivory’s song … when Peeta tells the story of how he fell for his girl, when she was singing, of all things, the Valley Song … not to mention all the references to mockingjays throughout the first arena (whose idea was that?) … oh, it’s delicious … the first similarity Snow could dismiss as mere coincidence (it’s not uncommon, we know, for tributes to stay with a dying peer), the second, as a product of an insular backwoods culture (right? RIGHT?) but by the third … he must have felt a ghost-chill on the back of his neck … and I LOVE it … Snow lands on top, but as soon as that burning chariot burst out of the night, he should have known … his time was up